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csamuel328 · #1 Apr-26-2009, 08:00 PM

First let me say I respect Puls opinion very much and the work goes into it.

I do respectfully disagree with him bumping Moreno up to he number one spot on the big board. I think San Francisco was a great spotfor him to land even though it is 10th. SF needs a receiver and I think People underestimate what Hill can do at the QB poition. Yes there will be competition at QB but I think Crabs is in an excellent position to excell in dyansty leagues.

I understand Moreno just skyrocketed in value too going to the Broncos. As he was draftedin the first round it suggests he will be the man in Denver. That said Laurence Maroney was a first round pick as well and that Denver still could be in a RBBC position although I think Moreno will be the head of that RBBC Moreno is still my top back as the way the RBs were drafted was not how I expected it to go.

The final thing in my thoughts is simply put upside versus other drats. Next yea I think there will be a RB or two that could produce like Moreno. In fact usually there seem to always be a RB that puts up very good numbers. In other wors there is always a Moreno in the draft. Crabtree is an impact WR whom people think he could have an impact to Calvin Johnson. That does not come around every year although I do believe Maclan is in that position this year as well.

One final statement I was one who pushed for Calvin as a top pick two years ago and that turned out to be wrong Peterson I think has been the better prospect so far. Tha could be the case here. Although I am willing to believe Knowshawn Moreno is not AP.

I would be interested in others opinions on these two and who they have ranked #1 and again I greatly respect Pauls Opinion This is more where is my logic flawwed.

GRS0002 · #2 Apr-26-2009, 08:14 PM

I'm taking Crabtree as my 1.1 pick in one of the no-offseason dynasty leagues. He is the #1 in SF without taking the field. SF has a bunch of WR#3's. Morgan is Nate Washington to me. A nice guy to throw in there to stretch the D to change it up, but he drops too many balls. I.Bruce might need a walker by mid season.

Moreno in Denver hurts his value to me. He may get 1000k yards, but he will not never get the TD's. I wouldn't take him at #1 or #2.

Duard Weese · #3 Apr-26-2009, 08:16 PM

It might be an easy call to put Moreno at the top of the rookie board now but I do agree with it. I don't think McDaniels will run his offense the way Shanahan did in Denver. I know New England has used primarily a committee at RB but then at the same time, I don't think they had a back like Moreno who can easily play all three downs. I think they thought Maroney was that kind of back when they drafted him but they soon found out he wasn't and that's why they lost faith in him and never put him in the primary role. I think the Broncos have that lead, three-down back in Moreno and will use him as such.

csamuel328 · #4 Apr-26-2009, 08:30 PM

in one league where my draft starts tonight I have the no.1 pick and I have announced I am taking Crabtree It was neck and neck unitl yesterday because Moreno to Philly would be an automatic draft at 1.1 but that did not happen I feel very comfortable with Crabtree in San Francisco. I do like Moreno in Denver just not as much as Crabtree in SF

the1rat · #5 Apr-27-2009, 10:40 AM

I'm not buying into Moreno, Josh McDaniels was de facto OC for the Pats in 2005, and took the official title in 2006. The Pats have been RBBC throughout that period, and Josh Mcdaniels buys into the Belichick scheme of role players based on situation. Hence his bringing in so many RB's with different talents. To me Moreno is just another piece of that puzzle to him. If I needed a RB I would be drafting Chris Wells in ARI, as he is the clear starter there.

Duard Weese · #6 Apr-27-2009, 10:54 AM

I still contend McDaniels didn't have a talent like Moreno in New England and that's why they went with the RBBC. Moreno can catch the ball and block, two big reasons why he should stay on the field in 3rd-down situations. Given a superior talent, McDaniels may opt to use Moreno as his primary guy. Shanahan and his rotation games are gone.

GRS0002 · #7 Apr-27-2009, 11:54 AM

Sorry to those who believed in Maroney, but he was going to be a 100% flop and lived up to it. If you read the scouting reports on the guy, many of them said he shy's from contact. That is an obvious indicater that the guy doesn't live football, doesn't have the internal drive, and won't be anything as a RB. RB's take contact on just about every play from running plays to pass def. You can coach a lot of things, but the guy didn't have heart. I haven't seen anyone say that Moreno shys from contact, so I definitly wouldn't compare the two. That being said... I'm taking Crabtree 1.1 without a doubt. Between the Denver way and the Patriot way, Moreno might be the main guy in the RBBC, but I don't think he's getting redzone carries. JJ Arrington is a third down back.

csamuel328 · #8 Apr-27-2009, 12:04 PM

One hting to consider is that with McDaniels in New England and Maroney is that they never drafted another back in the first round. They were content to use the RBBC. when we talk about Morenos value the problem is we dont know what McDaniels will employ precisely he may go full time back he may go RBBC there is an uncertainty there. That is what I am saying. Look at Matt Forte no one had him ranked #1 dynasty rookie though he performed like it We knew FOrte was going to be the #1 in Chicago but that did not garner him that #1 spot.

Just one of the reasons I still have Crabs #1 unless you need a RB

LS2throwed · #9 Apr-27-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GRS0002

I'm taking Crabtree as my 1.1 pick in one of the no-offseason dynasty leagues. He is the #1 in SF without taking the field. SF has a bunch of WR#3's. Morgan is Nate Washington to me. A nice guy to throw in there to stretch the D to change it up, but he drops too many balls. I.Bruce might need a walker by mid season.

Moreno in Denver hurts his value to me. He may get 1000k yards, but he will not never get the TD's. I wouldn't take him at #1 or #2.

Morgan is much more then just a WR3, his stats as a rookie, dealing with injuries are very impressive...I don't know about dropping passes, but he's been great ever since he stepped on the field for them.

Crabtree is still a beast, but he's not their best WR yet, that's still Josh Morgan, and he'll still be the starting split end.

GRS0002 · #10 Apr-27-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LS2throwed

Morgan is much more then just a WR3, his stats as a rookie, dealing with injuries are very impressive...I don't know about dropping passes, but he's been great ever since he stepped on the field for them.

Crabtree is still a beast, but he's not their best WR yet, that's still Josh Morgan, and he'll still be the starting split end.

No way... that's crazy talk. You're comparing Crabtree to Morgan... a 6th round draft pick project who has 20 career NFL catches in like 12 games. Crabtree will do way more then that in his rookie year. By no means has Morgan proven he is anything other then the 3rd WR they throw in to stretch the field. That's all he was last year. Morgan never had a catch as a starter... how can you say he'll "still" be starting at split end, when wasn't good ever catch a ball as a starter. The 1 game he started in the 12 he played, he left injured with no catches. Otherwise he did not start any other game at any position in the NFL.
Crabtree is the #1 WR in SF without even touching the field. I.Bruce will be the safety outlet. Gore will have more receptions then Morgan again this year. Morgan will be the forth pass option. Bryant Johnson was the best WR SF had last year and he struggled with injury. Morgan was never the best WR in SF. Morgan a project WR that they are trying to bring along.